Date: Mon,  7 Mar 94 07:17:48 PST
From: The Info-Mac Moderators <info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V12 #36
To: info-mac-list


Info-Mac Digest             Mon,  7 Mar 94       Volume 12 : Issue 36

Today's Topics:

      [!] Sumex-aim still down...
      (Q) LW PRO 600 problems
      14.4 rates
      An EtherTalk Question...
      Another Message from Oxford, UK
      Another Very Good Calculator to Consider
      Apple HD SC Setup (R)
      Apple PowerPC uplink?
      Appletalk tunnelling through IP
      ATM
      ClarisWorks Logon Macro [Q]
      DEClaser-1152
      DECLaser 1152
      DECLaser 1152 Printer Comments
      Decline and fall of the Macintosh S/w base/SuperNerd to the Rescue?
      Dragonlance/Frank Frazetta Pics (Q)
      eDisk (Q)
      email addresss for AOL business office (q)
      Error #41 (A)
      Extra Long Mac II Monitor Cable?
      faxmodem with voice support
      Finder doesn't accept colons anywhere?
      Foreign Language Software
      FoxPro Mac book
      HELP
      HPGL reader on Mac
      Info-Mac Digest V12 #35
      Internet Node Setup Proceedure
      IRC (A)
      LCD Panel with Mac
      Locking printer in a zone [Q]?
      Mac-based SMTP/POP3 host? (A)
      MacHandwriter
      MacHandwriter opinions *wanted* (R)
      Macintosh Plus and compatible software (A)
      MacTCP and ethernet
      MacTCP over ARA? (2 msgs)
      Magic Faxmodem 14.4
      Mail question
      Modem questions
      MS Mail, hard drives, fast-SCSI cards
      Network suggestions !! (A)
      no FTP-access to SUMEX until further notice
      Obstinate Extensions (Won't Load) (Q)
      Phone software compatable with geo-port.
      Power cords
      Printer tests (Q)
      Problem with CD Setup 5.0 software
      Quadra crashes
      RAM"Tripler"??
      RAMDoubler (Tripler)
      RamDoubler -> RamTripler (C)
      RAMDoubler and LC
      Recovering Damaged files
      Request for information about ADB (A)
      request Handeze Gloves information
      SAM Virus Defs, 3/3/94
      Sending Mail to Someone on Prodigy [A]
      Simpson's Sounds for Maelstrom
      Sonic Systems' "The Diskless Mac" ... trade experiences? (Q)
      Sound synchronizing and other stuff...
      substitute application for Powerbar (Q)
      Sumex-aim break-in -- find them and prosecute
      TT Font Won't Trash
      TT or PS Terminal Fonts (looking for)
      Updating Stylewriter II driver (summary)
      Video out on AV Mac

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 7:13:11 PST
From: The Moderators <info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Subject: [!] Sumex-aim still down...

Hi all,
  Just to let you know, sumex-aim is still down.  I'm including, below, a
list of our mirrors -- use em to do the downloading.  We are working hard and
will have the archives back as soon as we can (actually, mostly it is our
system manager that is working hard while we stand back and watch).

	Cheers,
		Gordon (one of info-mac moderators)

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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:40:54 +0000
From: wlt@mercurio.uc.pt (Wagner Luiz Truppel)
Subject: (Q) LW PRO 600 problems

Dear net friends,

I have two questions about my LW PRO 600 that I hope someone will be able
to solve. It's a PRO 600 with 8MB RAM. When I use the set-up button of the
LW 8.1.1 driver and then check the Printer Info, it tells me the printer
has 8 MB RAM, but only 2.3 MB are available. I don't have any fonts
downloaded to the printer, so I'm asking if that's to be considered normal.
This 'problem' has been happening, as far as I can tell, ever since I
bought it.

The other problem has to do with paper handling. I have the standard
250-sheet Letter tray and the 250-sheet A4 tray, but now use only the A4
tray, so I wanted to use the Apple LW Utility to change the default to A4
(the default tray choice to be shown in the Page Setup dialog box, NOT the
default tray from which the printer gets the paper!). The problem is that
the Apple LW Utility always gives me an error and a suggestion to try
restarting the printer, when I make changes to that option and push the OK
button. Needless to say, the changes are not acknowledged. I also tried the
most recent version of the Apple LW Utility, 7.6.1, but the problem still
happens.

Otherwise, the printer works just fine. Can someone give me a clue or two
to what's happening? I'd be most grateful. Please reply directly to me and
I'll post a summary of the answers.

Thanks again!


Wagner Luiz Truppel
WLT@MERCURIO.UC.PT

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 08:55:45 MST
From: jlundell@skull.opus.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Subject: 14.4 rates

Steve Ebstein comments:

> I think the 9600 and 19,200 speeds you refer to are for the computer-modem
> connection.  Try ZTerm at 19,200 or higher and your computer will talk to
> a 14.4 modem faster than the modem can talk to the other modem.  For example,
> I run Microphone LT with a 57,600 computer-modem speed with a 14.4 modem.

I've seen Fetch report transfer rates of over 2500 cps on a 14.4
compressed connection. That would suggest that if you can you should
use at least 38400 for 14.4 modems.

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 9:52:40 -0500 (EST)
From: MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA <MUENCH@SERVAX.FIU.EDU>
Subject: An EtherTalk Question...

Hello All:
	We have a small network on AppleTalk, but sometimes need better
performance.  Plus, if we go to Ethertalk, we can join the rest of the areas
on the Ethernet.  Anyone with experience converting to EtherTalk?!  What perfor
mance gains are there to be had? Which Ethernet products are best for price/
performance.  We use phonenet wires--can we keep our wiring scheme and just
switch to ethernet, or must we rewire?
Please reply to me directly.  I will summarize.
Thanx a megabyte
--Luis

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 15:47:23 0000
From: jsmith@molbiol.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Another Message from Oxford, UK

Hello All Reading Info-Mac,

These are two repeat questions from about a month ago. Just in case they
were missed...

1.  Has anyone successfully hacked the MEMORY Control Panel found in
System 7.x and at the sametime used the DRVR resource No.51 ".EDisk" found
in the ROMs of all PowerBooks, Vi's, Vx's, LCIII's and above and all Centris's
and Quadra's. so the System 7's RAM Disk can be used on a ClassicII, Si, Ci
or Cx etc....

(thanks to the two people who did respond to my question last time!)

2.  Has anyone heard of a Clip on 68030 processor that can clip onto
the original processor of a ClassicII.  I'm looking for a 32MHz or 64MHz
68030 with can clip on with a Killy Clip or similar... The later
speed would reqire a clock divider.  Can someone give me the address of
Dove who I believe produce a 32MHz version?  Can anyone Confirm this?

Thanks in advance

James Smith  (JSMITH@molbiol.oxford.ac.uk)

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 11:38:35 EST
From: Ken Davignon <DAVIGNON@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject: Another Very Good Calculator to Consider

In the thread concerning the quest for the ultimate calculator,
I feel one worthy candidate has been overlooked: PCalc by James
Thomson. I'm surprised that no one else mentioned it.
It features standard scientific functions, programable functions,
conversion tables and lots more. It is by far the best looking
calculator I've seen. It minimizes when not the frontmost
application. Anyone who has any interest in calculators should
check this one out. (I got version 1.02 from sumex last year.)
It is freeware.

Ken Davignon

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:07:14 +0100
From: cbuser@ezinfo.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Christian F. Buser)
Subject: Apple HD SC Setup (R)

Hi Aaron

>I've had a Quadra 700 since June of 1992, and since the day I brought it
>home, Apple HD SC Setup has refused to recognize my internal 105 meg
>hardisk. I have no idea why. When I run HD Setup, it says scanning for
>SCSI devices and then tells me that I don't have any. Has anyone heard of
>anything like this before, or have an idea about what might be happening?

It seems that your drive is not an "official" Apple drive. I think Apple
never supplied drives of 105 mB capacity - at least not here in
Switzerland - so that this is probably a computer which your dealer has
configured. Apple's HD SC Setup ONLY works with Apple brand drives.
Somewhere in the code there's a  list of "supported" drives, and the
program checks the drieve's ROM and compares with that list.

There was a "hack" around somewhere which disabled this behaviour, but I
don't remember where it was. I think it needed only 2 or 3 bytes being
changed with ResEdit.

The "easyer" (and probably safer) way would be to visit your dealer again
and ask him for the formatting software which belongs to the drive. You
are entitled to get it when you buy a drive. You can also use other
"universal formatting software", of course, but this costs approximately
US$ 150. I myself am registered owner of LaCie's "Silverlining", but I
know that FWB's "Hard Disk Toolkit" and Casablanca Softworks' "Drive7"
also work with virtually any hard disk ever made for the Macintosh.

Best wishes, Christian.

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Date: Tue, 01 Mar 1994 13:55:37 +0600
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Subject: Apple PowerPC uplink?

In article <CLzGxv.BAE@roscom.com>, Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:

> Apple has announced that they will be unveiling the new Power Macintoshes
> via live satellite uplink on Monday, March 14th, from 8:30 to 11:30 am CST
> and from 2:00 to 5:00 pm CST.
>
> Does anybody have any idea where this uplink will be?  When you find out,
> would you post it here or email me at the address below?

Satellite Information
======================

NORTH AMERICA
KU Band
Satellite: G STAR 2/ 7H
Frequency: 12096

LIVE BROADCAST 3/14/94
Test Time:  9:00am to 9:45 am EST(eastern standard time)
Countdown:  9:45am to 10:00am EST
Showtime:   10:00am to 11:30am EST

REBROADCAST 3/14/94
Same band,satellite and frequency.
Test time:  12:00pm to 12:45pm EST
Countdown:  12:45 to 1:00pm EST
Showtime:   1:00pm to 2:30pm EST

NOTE: The broadcast and the rebroadcast will both be in the clear and can
be
pulled down at both times if you choose.

--
David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard

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Date: Fri,  4 Mar 94 12:06:13 PST
From: "Jim Schenk"      <JIMS@SERVAX.fiu.edu>
Subject: Appletalk tunnelling through IP

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 15:03:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Schenk <JIMS@SERVAX.fiu.edu>
To:
Message-Id: <940304150329.20c01c96@SERVAX.FIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Appletalk tunnelling through IP

> I own two Macintosh computers, one in Minnesota("MinnHD") and the other in
> Iowa("IowaHD"), and both are connected to Internet and have their own IP
> addresses.  IowaHD is serving as one of hundreds of campus-wide fileservers
> in a network containing several Appletalk Zones.
>
> Is it possible to somehow incorporate MinnHD into the Appletalk network in
> Iowa State via Internet and thus allow me easy remote access to IowaHD and
> other fileservers at Iowa State?

There is a good article on tunneling AppleTalk over TCP/IP in the
April '94 issue of MacWorld.

Jim

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 09:09:29 MST
From: jlundell@skull.opus.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Subject: ATM

Tom Wilson:

> I just spoke with a another engineer who pointed out that his Adobe Type
> Manager (Version 2.02, like mine) appear to stop working after installing
> Microsoft Office.  Thinking back, that's about the time mine stopped
> working as well.  Does anyone know what's happening?  I recall that
> PowerPoint had gobs of TrueType fonts to install.  Could these have written
> over all of the ones that ATM used to work with?
> ...
> I do PowerPoint 3.0 screen presentations occassionally and although it
> doesn't seem to bother my audience, those jaggies drive me crazy. Is there
> something I can do about it.  I have ATM with PhotoShop and it's quite
> nice, but there isn't any indication that it works with anything else.
> What's the story?

Keep in mind that Apple & Adobe still have their deal going for almost-free
ATM. Call Adobe at 800-521-1976; there's a $7-8 handling charge, and you'll
get ATM 3.6 and Adobe Garamond, a very nice font. I've called the number
twice; some time ago I got 3.0, and just recently 3.6.

Unless the 2.02 Tom refers to is SuperATM, which I haven't used....

WRT jaggies, keep in mind that ATM works only with PostScript fonts. You
must have the PS font file on your system, not just the bitmap versions.

For on-screen presentations, TrueType makes a lot of sense. Microsoft's
TrueType Master Set has a lot of nice fonts for a reasonable price.
The Lucida family is especially handy; it's readable, and has serif,
sans-serif and monospace variations.

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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 06:23:23 -0500
From: "Keith E Gatling" <kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: ClarisWorks Logon Macro [Q]

I've tried several times to record a ClarisWorks macro that will dial up and
log me into my accounts on several systems, and despite following the
instructions, the most I can get it to do is to dial the number (big deal).
Having it answer the different screen prompts just isn't working.  Is it
just me or have other people had this problem?  What am I doing wrong?

* kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu   I've got plenty of opinions.  Just ask my wife! *

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 11:21:33 -0600 (CST)
From: ZUNIGA_A%TSB1.DECNET@relay.the.net
Subject: DEClaser-1152

>Please post the following query:
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>Regarding article below, would DEC-1152 owners please comment about --
>   DEC support for the printer driver software, built-in fonts,
>   User experiences, or any related matter?


We have had 2 of these printers for about a year now, and are very happy with
them.  One is attached to a stand-alone Mac, and the other is on a 3 node
AppleTalk network.  Most of what is printed is 5 to 10 page MS Word files, a
few short Filmaker reports, and occasionally small PageMaker documents.

At the time we purchased the printers, Digital did not have a Mac printer
driver available, so we tried using the Apple LaserWriter driver which worked
fine, and have been using sucessfully it ever since.  There is a driver
available for Windows.

The printer is a little slow, particularly when using a font that is not
installed on the printer.  We keep a parallel cable attached to the printer
for occasional printing from 386 based laptops running Windoze.  We have had
no problems printing jobs coming from the PCs and the Macs simultaneously.

Overall I think these are great entry level printers.

 Alberto L. Zuniga - Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
 zuniga_a@tsb1.tsbvi.edu or azuniga@tenet.edu

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:52:02 -0800
From: Bill Rausch <t9365@cis13.nfuel.com>
Subject: DECLaser 1152

I bought one when they first came out 15 months ago - the first PostScript
laser printer below $1000? Now it's down to $699 list, $599 mail order.
Several friends have bought them too (at my recommendation) and we all are
very pleased. The print quality is excellent.

The only bad thing (and this is no biggie for most of us) is that there is
no straight thru paper feed path for printing on heavier stock. All of
the paper paths bend at least once. The default path (and the one I use)
feeds in the front, bends twice, and comes out the top face down.

I have the printer for my home system and like it partly because it is such
a small package - about like a IIci box, but a little thicker. The paper feed
tray folds up into the printer when it is not isn use.

I use the Adobe LaserWriter 8.x printer driver (and have used the Apple 7.x
and 8.x printer drivers) with no problems.


----
    Bill Rausch, SW Engr, wnr@fred.nfuel.com, 509-943-0861
    Numerical Applications, 825 Goethals #A, Richland, WA 99352

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:12:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Neil Eric Mickelson <nem52463@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: DECLaser 1152 Printer Comments

After reading Mark Anbinder's TidBITS article on the DECLaser 1152 printer,
as well as a request for information from Bill Soong on Info-Mac, I thought
I'd contribute my experience with the printer.

I've owned my DECLaser 1152 printer since late March 1993--about a year.  I
ordered my printer about three months after it's introduction, and got a
$100 rebate that lowered the total cost (including cable and toner, etc.) to
about $1020.  The price, of course, has fallen considerably since then, making
this printer a much better deal.

Setup is easy, especially for Macs...just plug in the cable and turn everything
on.  Installing the toner cartridge is relatively well-diagrammed in the
manual (which is heavy on pictures, but not exactly a hig-quality piece of
work in my opinion...more on the docs later), and it only took a short time
to figure out how to turn off the test page.  It works fine with the stock
LaserWriter driver, and there are PDFs available that work with the latest
version 8 drivers.

At 300 dpi, print resolution is not exactly bleeding-edge, but it's great for
my personal and school needs.  It's kinda slow, with only single-font word
processing documents hitting the rated 4ppm print speed, but that's to be
expected.  It ships with a mediocre collection of built in fonts, and the
available font cartridges are kind of expensive.  The printer works beautifully
with downloaded PS fonts, however, as you'd expect.

There is a built-in resolution enhancement routine for halftone graphics, but
it requires a short PostScript program (supplied in the documention) to be
sent to the printer.  This is kind of a pain; unfortunately, the feature
cannot be accessed through the LaserWriter 8 driver, either...it's not
supported in the PDF.

As far as cross-platform goes, I had the thing hooked up to my Mac IIvx and a
Windows machine (shudder) for a couple of months with no major glitches.  I
just set my roommate's PC to print to a LaserWriter printer, but the thing
emulates HPGL4, too.

The documentation is pretty sketchy, but then again Digital isn't exactly used
to writing for the home or small-office market.  Did a little bit, though, and
you'll probably find what you need.  I will give Digital this--their tech
support is very good.  It took a little bit of time to get someone who
understood what a "Printer Description File" was last June, but I eventually
got a 3.5 inch disk with every DEC PDF they had.  If anyone needs the 1152
PDF to use with their DECLaser, let me know--I'll e-mail it to them.

Paper handling is O.K.  There are two output paths, and the printer comes with
a fold-down tray that holds approximately fifty sheets.  It handles evnelopes
O.K., and handles laser labels with no problems.  Haven't tried transparencies
yet, though.  A 200-sheet add-on paper drawer is available; with this option,
which costs about $150-170, you can have separate letter, legal, and envelope
trays loaded to swap in and out.

All in all, I'm extremely satisfied with this printer.  It has never given me
problems in about a year of fairly heavy use, and Digital's tech support was
there when I needed it.  If you're looking for a solid PS Level 2 printer at
a decent price, and can sacrifice the bleeding-edge of technology for now,
go out and buy this machine.

Neil E. Mickelson
n-mickelson@uiuc.edu

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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:50:24 +0000
From: Francis Knight <francis@pinza.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Decline and fall of the Macintosh S/w base/SuperNerd to the Rescue?

Extracted from a UK national press job advert:

    o   Extensive Mac C and Toolbox experience.
    o   Extensive Windows & DOS system programming experience
    o   Extensive knowledge of cross platform port tools
    o   Knowledge of communications protocols
    o   Track record of successful Project Management

    etc.

The advert wording suggests that there is _one_ post available. Could
anyone less than a SuperNerd acquire all that experience in less than a
lifetime? I wonder what the company concerned will finally settle for?

In the (UK) employment scene, I find very few recruiters ignoring Windows
experience, but a larger number ignoring Mac experience. Indeed, the
example above was placed by a UK developer of a respected Mac
communications package, who has evidently decided to transfer it to
Windows. (Now _they_ needn't worry when the CTB goes away.) I reluctantly
acknowledge that today it just isn't a rational business decision to
prioritise development for the Mac over Windows. In consequence Apple has
to rely increasingly on _irrational_ decisions to do so. This probably
defines the small developer, perhaps me and you and the good people who
feed the Sumex Archives. But can we afford, say, a Plus, SE/30, PowerBook,
LC, Quadra and PowerPC as representative platforms to test our software
for compatibility? Oh and aren't the clones supposed to be coming? (A UK
Electronics trade paper recently reported Michael Spindler as saying
cloning would be allowed for PowerPC products.)

Idealist that I am, I've started learning the Mac Toolbox (in preference
to Windoze). To do this properly ('extensively'?), I'm also confronted
with the prospect of buying all the 'Inside Macintosh' books, at present
11 telephone-directory-sized volumes costing in total about 280 pounds in
the UK! It looks like that will not be sufficient recommendation for
future employment.

What of the SuperNerd lifestyle? Robert Cringely's book 'Accidental
Empires' which I finally caught up with last week gives an insight.
SuperNerds, fresh (and naive) out of College are apparently an
international commodity, excited to have the opportunity to put in 80-hour
weeks. After a few years of this they wake up one morning and ask "Huh?".
Time to harvest the next intake...

Or am I just a bit jaded?


Francis K.

At a Mac Oasis Somewhere in Suburban Hertfordshire

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 17:10:24 EST
From: Jeff Beaubien <JBEA8159@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject: Dragonlance/Frank Frazetta Pics (Q)

Anyone out there know where I could find some digitized pics from the
Dragonlance calendars?  Perhaps some of the artwork of Frank Frazetta?

Any help is appreciated.   --Jeff--


Jeff Beaubien
JBEA8159@URIACC
JBEA8159@URIACC.URI.EDU

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 1994 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: FNELSON@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: eDisk (Q)

Does anyone have experience or comments about the eDisk utility?

Gary Lee Nelson, Professor
Electronic and Computer Music
TIMARA Program
Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, OH 44074
(216) 775-8223
fnelson@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:43:13 +0200
From: bnhirsch@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (David L. Hirschberg)
Subject: email addresss for AOL business office (q)

Hi,

I have trying since late January to close my America Online account from
overseas.

I am sending mail to postmaster@aol.com and all I get back is the charge on
my VISA card every month. When I worte to get info on the account to this
address I had no problem getting a response.

Does anyone have a direct address for AOL business office?  It seems like a
company the provides communication services should at least be able to use
them.

Thank you, David
bnhirsch@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 21:16 EST
From: Don't Panic! <ABRODY@vax.clarku.edu>
Subject: Error #41 (A)

Dear Netters,
does anyone have

A.D'Emanuele@mcc.ac.uk

internet address?

My postmaster does not like any punctuation that is not a period (.).
Thus his apostrophe bounces the message back.  I tried replacing it with a
period but the postmaster couldn't find his address.  In terms of Error #41
for anyone who doesn't know it, it is the "can't load finder error."

This is in reply to:
>Subj: Error type 41 (Help??)
>Does anyone know what this error means. It seems to happen when I quit
>excel whilst something is printing to my stylewriter. The computer is a
>Colour Classic and is networked via ethernet. Excel is on the file server.
>Look forward to any useful suggestions.

>Regards, Tony D'Emanuele

Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
ABRODY@VAX.CLARKU.EDU

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 14:17:12 PST
From: "Anthony E. Siegman" <siegman@Sierra.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Extra Long Mac II Monitor Cable?

   Can anyone recommend sources for an extra-long (like 8' or 10')
monitor cable for a Mac II with standard 14" monitor?

   I want to put the damn box remotely in a closet to get rid of "disk
drone" which is suddenly driving me crazy (the drive didn't get
noisier, I just suddenly got more sensitive).  A cheapo extender cable
>From Fry's seriously fouled up the screen display, presumably because
of inadequate shielding or termination at the cable ends.

   Thanks...

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 17:13:04 EST
From: "James A. Connolly" <CZRT@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: faxmodem with voice support

I've seen a 14.4 faxmodem from Zyxel which also claims to have
1000 voice mailboxes (with voice compression, etc.)...

Are there faxmodems available now, with software, that allow people
to call in and leave messages in specific mailboxes?  What kind of
hard drive space is required for receiving phone calls?

Do these modems autodetect voice/fax/data?

Thanks for any help available.

If the response is comprehensive, I'll put it altogether and
re-post it directly to the info-mac digest.  Please reply by
e-mail.
				       ...James

_____________________
CZRT@MusicA.McGill.CA

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 16:06 EST
From: kd@summit.novell.com
Subject: Finder doesn't accept colons anywhere?

>It really seems that the Finder traps all the way to write a colon: I tried by
>copying the char from the Clavier oops, the Keyboard CP and pasting it in a
>filename or Info box, but I still get a dash (an hyphen)...
>Never noticed before, thanx Mijnheer Reinder..

As noted by others, the colon isn't permitted in a filename because of its
use as a pathname delimiter.  However, I'm not sure that the Finder's refusal
to allow one in a comment box is necessary.
In developing my utility (somewhat lamely called) GetInfo, that allows you
to save and restore all your comments, I discovered that the operating
system itself doesn't mind colons in a comment; my program is able to put
in any characters it wants.  If I put a colon into a comment this way
the Finder doesn't try to remove it thereafter.  In fact, the mapping of
colons to hyphens appears to happen only (1) when your desktop is converted
>From System 6 to System 7, and (2) when you are typing into the comment box
under the System 7 Finder.  It's mildly annoying, but not as annoying as
the way conversion from System 6 to System 7 silently truncates all your
comments to 199 characters.
--
Kelvin Delbarre, Omicron Software Systems, Inc.
contracted to Novell's UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
kd@summit.novell.com

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 21:36:44 EST
From: Thomas Smyth <TCSMYTH@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU>
Subject: Foreign Language Software

For a colleague I'm searching for reviews of foreign language
educational software appropriate for college-level first- and
second-year studies.     Preferably the software is networkable (useable
on a Fleetwood system?) and for the learning of Spanish/French and
possibly other languages (Russian, Yiddish, Latin).  The lab will
include a substantial number of AV Macs.  Are you aware of such software
and/or reviews? TIA

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:13:43 -0500
From: reiserdb@ttown.apci.com (David B. Reiser)
Subject: FoxPro Mac book

Regarding the existence of a FoxPro 2.5 for Macintosh book, there are none
available yet. There is one in the works, but it will be a couple months yet
before it gets out, and it will contain mostly information that isn't
available anywhere else. As of sometime during the beta period neither
Microsoft Press nor Que had any interest in a FPM specific book.

FPM is close enough to FP for Windows that anyone familiar with the interface
quirks on both sides could readily make extensive use of the FPW books. One
of the books that gets high marks from the CI$ crowd is the Slater/Arnott
book from Que, "Using FoxPro 2.5 for Windows". Ms. Slater is the primary
author of the Mac specific FoxPro book (to be published by Brady).

As a long time Foxbase+/Mac user, I find I'm underwhelmed by the changes
provided by the "upgrade" to FoxPro, especially the HUGE appetite for RAM.
OTOH, I'm pretty sure that my skill level is low enough that I don't
appreciate the increase in power that the new version provides. Maybe I'll
get more impressed when I have a machine that isn't crippled by FPM's
resource demand.

Dave Reiser
reiserdb@ttown.apci.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:54:58 +0100
From: "vidal ibaez, juan carlos" <jvidal@MSF.UNIZAR.ES>
Subject: HELP

HELP

I am searching for a very specific scientific plotting software for
macintosh : how could I get it or search who?. Do you known any
address of user`s groups?.

Thank you.
E-mail:jvidal@msf.unizar.es

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 12:56:29 EST
From: stngiam@MIT.EDU
Subject: HPGL reader on Mac

  This is my third question to info-mac in about two weeks...

  What programs can read HPGL files on the Mac?  At the minimum, I would
like to print out the files, but it would be nice also to be able to
scale them before printing or even edit them.
  I used to use Corel Draw on a Windows machine but the new version of
Corel Draw was loaded onto our lab machine, and strangely enough, HPGL
files that were read by the old Corel Draw (2.0, I think) can no longer
be read by CD 3.0

Shih Tung
Chem E
Best l'il Tech School
on the Charles

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:20:20 -0800
From: tonya@tidbits.com (Tonya Engst)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V12 #35

>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 94 18:48:44 EST
>From: DUNLAP%UCONNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU
>Subject: Word 6.0 (PC) to Word 5.1 (Mac) converters
>
>Does anybody know if Microsoft has put out any fixes
>to convert a Word for windows 6.0 (PC) file to Word 5.1 (MAC)?
>I was very dissapointed to find that I could not read the new
>format from the windows version.

The converter is supposed to be coming sooner or later, but it's not ready
yet. To convert files, you must save them from Win Word 6 as Mac Word.

cheers,

tonya

Tonya Engst, TidBITS Editor -- tonya@tidbits.com --info@tidbits.com
My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer, Microsoft

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:11:16 -0500
From: msullivan@carib.vf.ge.com (Michael Sullivan)
Subject: Internet Node Setup Proceedure

Can someone please direct me to the appropriate place to find out how to
setup and internet node? I am looking for how to setup an actual internet
node with a domain name, etc. Also a souce of software (commercial or
shareware) for pc or mac to serve as the node. Thanks

Mike Sullivan - 609-338-4098 @ Martin-Marietta Comms Systems - Camden NJ

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:21:56 +0100
From: eytan@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (Michel Eytan, LILoL)
Subject: IRC (A)

>Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 21:35:50 -0600
>From: (Pete Chane) <pchaneuw@vms2.macc.wisc.edu>
>Subject: IRC
>
>Does anyone have a list of irc servers on the net?  If so, I would like a
>copy.
>

Here is what I found in IRCprimer.txt (am sending to the list, might be
useful for others too):



> 3.3  Which server do I connect to?
>                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>   It's usually best to try and connect to one geographically close, even
>though that may not be the best.  You can always ask when you get on IRC.
>Here's a list of servers available for connection:
>
>                               csd.bu.edu
>                            ucsu.colorado.edu
>                         badger.ugcs.caltech.edu
>                            coombs.anu.edu.au
>                              ug.cs.dal.ca
>                              nic.funet.fi
>                             irc.nada.kth.se
>                            suntrax1.cern.ch
>                          poly.polytechnique.fr
>
>
>   This  is  by  no  means,  a  comprehensive  list,  but merely a start.
>Connect   to   the   closest  of  these  servers  and  join  the  channel
>#Twilight_Zone  or, if you are in Europe, #EU-Opers.  When you are there,
>immediately  ask  what  you  want.  Don't say "I have a question" because
>then  everyone  will  ignore  you  until you say it a few times, and then
>they'll  jump down your throat and rip your lungs out.  Noone knows if he
>can answer your question until you ask it.

--
Michel Eytan, U Strasbourg II           eytan@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr
		"Je dis ce que je pense et je pense ce que je dis"

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 21:30:19 EST
From: "Dr. Daniel Arkin" <darkin@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu>
Subject: LCD Panel with Mac

Mac Gurus:


I'm looking to invest in an Active Matrix Color LCD Panel that
can be connected to a Macintosh (particularly a 165c
PowerBook).  I am told that only recently have Active Color
Matrix prices dropped below $3,000.

In particular, I am considering a Spectra C by nView (priced
around $3,000).  This particular unit support 185,000 colors.

At the same time, I am hearing conflicting information regarding
available options, so any help that can be provided with the
following questions would greatly be appreciated.  Please reply
via electronic mail and I'll summarize as appropriate:

1.      Do I have to pay $3,000 for such a technology (Active
Color Matrix)?  I will be using it for PowerPoint type
presentations and online presentations from the Internet.

2.      Are there sources where I can acquire such technologies
without paying retail?  I am aware of many mail order places
for computers, but what about video equipment like this?

3.      Are there other Active Matrix Color LCD Panels that are
better quality with a better price tag?

4.      I understand that there is a Spectra Mini Panel that is
Active Matrix in the $1400 price range but cannot confirm what
it really is and how much it really costs?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Daniel Arkin

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 11:56:13 GMT (Original HNE)
From: dgauthier@cti.ulaval.ca
Subject: Locking printer in a zone [Q]?

Hi ! (excuse my english)

We have , here at the campus, approximatively 60 appletalk zones.

On each zone, they are printers, servers.......

   It is possible to restrict to a laserwriter in a zone  ONLY the person
   in the zone  ( a person in a another zone could NOT print on my printer?)
   and , in my zone , i could continue ti use all services (Mactcp, appleshare
   ...)

ANY IDEA is accepted  ! (make my mailbox crazy ;-)

Denis Gauthier
CTI-Universite Laval
Quebec, Canada

e-mail : dgauthier@cti.ulaval.ca

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 12:19:55 -0800
From: kee@kagi.com (Kee Nethery +1 510 843 6140)
Subject: Mac-based SMTP/POP3 host? (A)

>Are there any SMTP/POP3 servers that will run on a Macintosh as a host?  We
>have been using MacPost as an email server for our Mac network for some time
>now, but circumstances are pushing us toward considering a POP3 capable host
so
>that PowerTalk can be used to receive mail on the desktop.  I'd appreciate any
>references.  We have looked at MailStop, but it appears that it only supports
>POP2.

I have been beta testing MailShare from Glenn Anderson <glenn@otago.ac.nz>.
It is a SMPT/POP3 mail server that runs on the MacOS. (Mine is running on a
Classic). Contact him if you wish to also be a beta site.

MailShare has mail forwarding (one mail account to another), and mail list
forwarding (one mail account to all the addresses in a text file). It is
still beta and I was one of the "lucky" ones experiencing the last bug
(fixed by the latest version).

I like it, it is fairly easy to setup and all in all, works quite well. He
is hunting bugs and adding the final features in a very rapid manner. I
find that given that it is beta, it is best to have him send you the latest
revisions through some non-beta mail address such as CompuServe or
AppleLink.

I access it with Eudora 1.4.1 and with the StarNine Personal PowerTalk
gateway. Both talk to it with nary a problem.

I like it!

Kee Nethery

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 16:18:58 EST
From: Charles.Patrick%NRC.CA@VM.NRC.CA
Subject: MacHandwriter

Unfortunately this is a somewhat vague response to a recent query by
Steve Marsh (marsh@anvil.nrl.navy.mil):

I read a glowing review of MacHandwriter in a recent (not necessarily the most
recent!) issue of either Byte or PCReview (?). On the basis of this review I
have just placed an order for 1 unit. I expect to see it arrive in about 10+
days (Customs and other bureaucratic shenanigans!). I plan to roadtest it with
a view to ordering additional units at this special introductory price.

I will be happy to post a summary of my findings, opinions and impressions, as
tentative as they might be, before March 29. If there are any specific aspects
of its capabilities that are of interest, please write to me directly, and I
will endeavour to take account of them.

Cheers.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 19:30:10 -0600
From: vinko@spss.com (Vinko Tsui (312) 329-3455)
Subject: MacHandwriter opinions *wanted* (R)

>I'd like to know if anyone has experience with (or can point me to a review
of)
>the MacHandwriter pen-based input tablet. Its from Communication Intelligence
>Corporation, and has been featured in full-page ads near the front of recent
>MacUser/MacWorld issues. It's on sale for $199, and claims to have good
>handwriting recognition. I'm interested in using it for the extensive
>editing/rewriting of papers that I do, which is somewhat awkward going between
>the mouse and keyboard constantly. Any experience with this? Thanks in
>advance...  $^)
>

Steve,

There is a review in MacWeek (Jan 31 '94).

I've actually purchased one. Unfortunately, I have yet to receive it. It
has been over a month since I ordered it. Every time I called they tell me
its back ordered.

I'll send you my comments whenever I get it.

-- Vinko

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 13:08:31 -0800
From: kee@kagi.com (Kee Nethery +1 510 843 6140)
Subject: Macintosh Plus and compatible software (A)

>One of my students approached me with a problem today. He has a part-time job
>at the Boys Club. Apparently, they've received a donation of four Macintosh
>Plus computers, but have no software (system or otherwise). Does anyone know
>which version of the system software runs on a Macintosh? Also, can anyone
>recommend other applications (word processors, games)---preferably public
>domain or freeware---that also run on a a Plus?

All versions of the MacOS run on a MacPlus. These are not out of date
machines. The question is how much RAM and hard disk do they have. If you
have anything less than 4 Megs of RAM and 40 Megs of hard drive, I
recommend that you use System 6.0.8 instead of System 7. Any dealer should
have a copy of System 6.0.8. Suggest you take a handfull of 800 K floppies
so that you can copy the dealer's installer disks onto your disks. Call
them or call your local Mac user group to locate installer disks.

If they did not come with external hard drives, create a whole set of
floppies with a minimum system on them and have one application per floppy.
In general people will be much happier if the MacPluses have external hard
drives. A floppy only MacPlus (sans Hard drive) is in my opinion, next to
useless.

There are plenty of freeware / public domain applications in the Info-Mac
archives. You might also look around on AOL for software. In general, ask
someone with access to snag you various applications off of the net.

Kee Nethery

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 12:04:10 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: MacTCP and ethernet

I want to make sure I'm on the right track. If I wish to
connect to a Unix box over Ethernet I need MacTCP. Do I
need anything else?

Thanks, Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.edu or TempleVM.bitnet

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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 1994 09:43:37 +0000 (U)
From: George Tempel <tempel@MONMOUTH-ETDL1.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: MacTCP over ARA?

		      MacTCP over ARA?
I've got a question that seems to beg an easy answer:

Can I run MacTCP packets over an ARA connection?

Here's the setup:

Mac at home with ARA 1.x, MacTCP 2.0.4, modem.
Ethernet/LocalTalk network at work, with macs on both.
GatorBox classic connecting Ethernet/LocalTalk at work.
Mac at work on ethernet, ARA 1.x, modem, use allowed
access to entire network.
Working internet connections at work (do it every day).

My mac at home has a unique IP address (but not one
in the range of GatorBox "LocalTalk" addresses). I can
dial up the Mac with ARA and ethernet just fine, and
can do AppleShare stuff just fine, but _cannot_ even
ping _anything_ at work from home. What gives? Is
this possible? My mac from home is placed into
the same zone as the ethernetted/ARA mac i'm
calling, which seems fine.

Any suggestions? We _cannot_ use SLIP or PPP right
now, and have only ARA 1.x in house (2.x is coming
in the mail).

I've asked Adam Engst (thanks Adam), but we're both
stumped. Any input from the masses?

thanks in advance

george (ty) tempel
tempel@monmouth-etdl1.army.mil

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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 08:58:58 -0600
From: Fred Terry <pfterry@lks.csi.com>
Subject: MacTCP over ARA?

>                       MacTCP over ARA?
> I've got a question that seems to beg an easy answer:
>
> Can I run MacTCP packets over an ARA connection?
>
> Here's the setup:
>
> Mac at home with ARA 1.x, MacTCP 2.0.4, modem.
> Ethernet/LocalTalk network at work, with macs on both.
> GatorBox classic connecting Ethernet/LocalTalk at work.
> Mac at work on ethernet, ARA 1.x, modem, use allowed
> access to entire network.
> Working internet connections at work (do it every day).
>
> My mac at home has a unique IP address (but not one
> in the range of GatorBox "LocalTalk" addresses). I can
> dial up the Mac with ARA and ethernet just fine, and
> can do AppleShare stuff just fine, but _cannot_ even
> ping _anything_ at work from home. What gives? Is
> this possible? My mac from home is placed into
> the same zone as the ethernetted/ARA mac i'm
> calling, which seems fine.

Is there a bridge between you and the gatorbox? If so, you will not be able to
use a unique IP address. Some "feature" that's documented in the back of one
of the gatorbox manuals.

Also, you might want to think about trying to make the home setup work using
one of the IP addresses in the gatorbox's server range.

> Any suggestions? We _cannot_ use SLIP or PPP right
> now, and have only ARA 1.x in house (2.x is coming
> in the mail).
>
> I've asked Adam Engst (thanks Adam), but we're both
> stumped. Any input from the masses?
>
> thanks in advance
>
> george (ty) tempel
> tempel@monmouth-etdl1.army.mil
>
>

Good luck.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, pfterry@lks.csi.com, +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
					--Graffito

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 1994 10:23:15 -0500 (EST)
From: RADICE@urvax.urich.edu
Subject: Magic Faxmodem 14.4

If anyone is interested in a reasonably low cost alternative to the Linelink
modem, I can recommend the Magic Faxmodem 14.4 ($149 plus $15 for the high
speed cable).  It was a breeze to install and configure, comes with Microphone
LT and FaxSTF (but version 2.2.3 when I received it two months ago, may be
upgraded now).  I live in a rural area and so far have had no problems with the
phone lines. V.42 bis/V.32 bis, MNP1-5 protocols, the works.

I'm not affiliated with MacProducts or Magic, just a satisfied customer who
didn't want to spend too much money for a modem but didn't want to risk a
hassle with the Linelink. (MaProducts USA 800-622-3475)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 05 Mar 1994 15:26:29 +0000
From: trappb@rpi.edu (Brian M. Trapp)
Subject: Mail question

In article <65-9403021925.AA16144@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU>, Daniel S Stromberg
<dstrombe@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is more a question out of curiosity than any sort of necessity, but I
was
> wondering if there was any simple (and inexpensive) way to set up a mac to
> receive normal internet mail. I have my own IP address and all the software
to
> connect to another machine, but I was wondering if there was any easy way to
> mail (or even telnet, but I suspect that's asking too much) directly to my
> mac.

Dan - I just got ahold of a good P.D. email program that should do all that
for you.  I'm a real beginner, so I'm just assuming it'll meet your needs.
It's called "Eudora" and I got it from the Microlab-Mac archives.  If
you're using Mosaic, the address is:
http://wwwhost.cc.utexas.edu/cc/microlib-mac/main.html
I'm pretty sure you can FTP to something close to that address
--
The world isn't round.  It's sort of spherical.  No.. wait...

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 12:02:22 EST
From: Pete Tamas <GNOME%TEMPLEVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Modem questions

Can modems bought in the US (such as the Linelink 14,400)
be used in Europe? Does faxing work? I may be traveling to
Switzerland, Austria and Hungary.

How do one connect to an office phone? Are there adaptors
to connect from the small jack to the large ones often used
in offices?

I am thinking of buying a modem to work with a Duo 210 or
230 in case someone has some recommendations.

Thanks, Pete Tamas
Gnome@VM.Temple.edu or TempleVM.bitnet

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Date: 7 Mar 1994 09:27:08 -0500
From: "Allen Helms" <allen_helms@mail.mba.wfu.edu>
Subject: MS Mail, hard drives, fast-SCSI cards

We currently have 350 users on Microsoft Mail server....  I have heard that it
is better to divide the users between 2 servers.  However, at this time, the
budget will not allow.  Basically, I am looking for a 1 gig. harddrive that
supports fast-SCSI and also a fast-SCSI card.  Any recommendations for hardware
would be great appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Allen Helms
Network Administrator              Phone: 910.759.4620
Wake Forest University            Fax: 910.759.4514
Babcock Graduate School          Internet: allen_helms@mail.mba.wfu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 12:42:34 -0800
From: kee@kagi.com (Kee Nethery +1 510 843 6140)
Subject: Network suggestions !! (A)

>I need some help re-configuring our Apple Talk network. We currently have old
>style Apple Talk which is dasiy chained. I was thinking of going to a trunk
>topology using PhoneNet. We are connecting our Apple Talk to FastPath4's and
>then
>connecting on to the ethernet. The problem is that the daisy chains have
become
>so large (25+ nodes per zone) that even added a new user or printer becomes a
>major undertaking. I really want to get ride of the daisy chain and go to a
>morestable topology one that is more suited for larger zones.

Yes, by all means install a PhoneNET backbone. It is way more reliable than
a daisy chain and it supports way more connections than a daisy chain. Do
not use your Apple connectors on the backbone, they have internal
terminating resistors and if you wire them in a backbone arrangement you
will over-terminate the network and it will not function.

Buy PhoneNET style connectors. Following the Farallon wiring instructions.
Buy 22 gauge telephone station cable (four wires, red green yellow black)
and a bunch of RJ-11 wall jacks. String the station cable and attach the
wall jacks anywhere on the station cable. DO NOT CUT THE STATION CABLE.
Strip the insulation off of the wires without cutting the cable. Wrap the
stripped wire around the screws in the RJ-11 wall jacks. Install a resistor
at each end of the station cable in side the wall jack. Do not use the plug
in terminators and do not purchase connectors that are internally
terminated.

It's about as reliable a LocalTalk network as you can build.

Kee Nethery

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 18:28:52 -0600
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Subject: no FTP-access to SUMEX until further notice

At  2:13 PM 3/5/94 -0800, Pete Gontier wrote:
> A "vigilante" wrote that Italian virus?

	that is my working theory, yes.

	to remind you of what Gene Spafford wrote in his announcement
	in comp.sys.mac.announce:

| The INIT-9403 virus was recently discovered in Italy.  It appears that
| the virus is being spread (initially) by an altered version of some
| pirated commercial software.  This software, when run, installs the
| virus on the affected system.

	I figure someone wanted to punish software pirates...


> Anyway, you might care to post, now that sumex is down, the following
> article, which I posted locally:
>
> I have placed the new Disinfectant in my 'ftp' area. If you are having
> trouble obtaining it from one of the usual places, you might try here.
> (You might also consider using Netcom instead of Norstad's server, to
> reduce load.)
>
>        ftp.netcom.com:/pub/gurgle/disinfectant34.sea.bin

	thanks, that is kind of you to take on some of the traffic.
	but instead of sending more your way, I should probably rather
	publicize other sites that make it available...

	RASCAL, UMICH, and all the various mirror sites (of SUMEX
	also, I hope)


> Make sure to set your 'ftp' client to transfer files in binary mode.
> (For the UNIX clients, use the 'bin' command.) If you can log into a
> Netcom account, you can find the file with the path:
>
>        ~ftp/pub/gurgle/disinfectant34.sea.bin
>
> You need not worry that this is a different version from the one
> distributed by Norstad, because Disinfectant has the well-known feature
> of doing its own internal integrity check before allowing itself to run.
> It's a virus program, after all! :-)
>--
> Pete Gontier, CTO, Integer Poet Software; gurgle@netcom.com


	the INFO-MAC people might want to put your note into their
	next digest however....  (I'll let them know...)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 21:29:14 EST
From: Thomas Smyth <TCSMYTH@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU>
Subject: Obstinate Extensions (Won't Load) (Q)

All of a sudden, no extensions load at start-up (there are about forty
installed).  It's as though I have held down the shift key, yet no message
appears.  (On the bright side, it does speed up the startup!)
Any suggestions would be welcomed!  I'm getting desparate - to the point of
running Disinfectant 3.4 -with no viruses found. TIA

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 08:57:23 PST
From: Robert Marchak <rmarchak@PICA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Phone software compatable with geo-port.

I am running into either conflicts with software or compatibility problems
with Apple Phone and my system (Quadra 840AV with a geo-port adapter).
Apple Phone acts weird after running for a while.  It indiscriminately cuts
off messages, dials without me dialing and after a while it makes a
squelching noise for no apparent reason. I've discussed my problems with
Apple Tech support.  I have been told that this software is for
demonstration purposes only and they do not support it and any problems I
may be running into with it.  I would like to know if anyone out there
knows of either commercial or shareware programs that act well as an
answering machine and is compatible with an 840AV and a geo-port.

If anyone can help me, please send me a response.

Thanks for all your help,


Bob Marchak
<rmarchak@pica.army.mil>
(201) 724-2746
DSN 880-2746

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:56:18 -0500
From: gch2@cornell.edu (Geoffrey Christopher Hoffman)
Subject: Power cords

I have a IIsi with a syquest and an external hard drive.  I was wondering=
 if there was a cord splitter or any other way to get both the syquest=
 and the hard drive to be powered through the IIsi's slave power=
 plug, so that It will turn it all off and on with the computer.=
  (Do I have to jury rig something?)  Is the fact that the IIsi's=
 are rumored to have a weak power supply a concern?  I also have=
 an FPU, if that has anything to do with the power drain.
	Thanks in Advance

P.S. Does it hurt the Syquest to turn it off without ejecting the=
 cart.?

Geoff Hoffman
	gch2@cornell.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1993 17:06:24 -0800
From: vsalon@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il (Sharfi Alon)
Subject: Printer tests (Q)

Hi,

I want to make some tests to a postscript printer.tests like: printing
speed, quality of the output etc. Does anyone familiar with any
"test packet" for postscript printer or somthing like that ?

Thank's
Sharfi Alon   vsalon@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il



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Date: 4 Mar 94 19:17:07 GMT
From: cpaul@informix.com (Paul Christensen)
Subject: Problem with CD Setup 5.0 software

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

This may be related to a problem that I discovered the other day. I had the
AppleCD Audio Player open and active (it was the front-most window), and then
AfterDark kicked in. When I deactivated AD by moving the mouse, the Audio
Player crashed with an out of memory error.

Has anyone else seen this problem with the 5.0 CD software?

Also, I'd like to drag multiple tracks at one time into the program list, but
can't find a way. This was actually much *easier* with the 4.x software, since
you could turn on/off tracks individually.

Paul Christensen
cpaul@informix.com      "witty signature under construction"


>I just discovered a weird problem in the CD software.
>The AppleCD Audio Player causes a continuous flow of keyUp events; the events
>are directed to the frontmost application, which supposedly gets a lower rate
>of
>null events.
>The AppleCD Audio Player does this because it fiddles with the SysEvtMask low
>memory global variable. (Wasn't Apple telling us not to use low mem global
>variables?)

>I do not know any e-mail address for the Apple guys working on the CD
>software.
>Anybody?

>--
>Fabrizio Oddone

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:32:42 +1000
From: G. P. Savage <paul.savage@mercury.chem.csiro.au>
Subject: Quadra crashes

I recall some discussion about this ages ago and now that I have a quadra I
can't remember what the outcome was. I'm getting intermitant crashes (mouse
still moves but screen is locked) on my Q650, usually after a MacTCP (2.04)
application (eg. Nuntias, VersaTerm Pro) has been running for a while and while
file sharing is turned on. Has anyone else seen this? What could be the
problem?

Another strange thing is that sometimes the startup sequence is quick and other
times there is about a 1 minute delay before the first extension even loads.
Has anyone else had the same experience?

Paul
--
paul.savage@mercury.chem.csiro.au -- Australian Science....Australia's Future
It's not enough to succeed. Others must fail.  --Gore Vidal c.1925

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:17:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Neil Eric Mickelson <nem52463@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: RAM"Tripler"??

I just read a quick note in Info-Mac v12#35 about hacking RAMDoubler to
be RAM"Tripler."  My question is, was I asleep when this got posted, or is
someone pulling my leg?  Can anyone point me in the proper direction do I
can do this on my woefullyy inadquate 5MB IIvx??

Thanks!!

Neil
n-mickelson@uiuc.edu

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:42:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Vellek <mvellek@bigcat.missouri.edu>
Subject: RAMDoubler (Tripler)

In InfoMac V12 #35, lrymal@tenet.edu wrote that he can "triple" his
Ram"DOULBER". Maybe I missed this - how can this be done?

Mark Vellek
Columbia, MO

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:00:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Larry Rymal:T.E.M.U.G.-EAST_TEXAS-" <lrymal@tenet.edu>
Subject: RamDoubler -> RamTripler (C)

Folks,

	I posted a note on Infomac happily shouting about how good
RamDoubler is and mentioned that it can be made into a RamTripler.  For
starters it really DOES work and on my LC475, I don't get a performance
hit for the most part.  Indeed, I don't see a performance difference
between RamDoubler and "RamTripler" on my LC475.
	Now then.....I am NOT the author of this marvelous 'tweak'.
Several folks on Mac-L had an exchange of messages explaining how to do
it.  I am hoping they'll post a message about this so they get the credit.
	With that said, here is what you do.
	First, open up the RamDoubler extension with ResEdit.  Inside,
you'll find a PREFS resource.  Click on this. Look for a resource with an
ID number of -4064.  Click on it.  You will then find a field titled "ram
multipler" among others.  It is at a default of $00020000.  Modify this to
$00030000.  I never like pushing things, so I gave it a value of $00025000.
Works great, at least on my LC475.
	Connectix responded to one of the contributers explaining that a
significant performance hit occurs which is why they don't have this
interfaced to the user via a Control Panel.
	So, anyway, there it is...  Enjoy, and use some common sense in
playing with this.
	Hopefully, the original posters will join in this thread so they
can get the credit.

--Larry Rymal <lrymal@tenet.edu>

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Date: Sat, 05 Mar 1994 00:45:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Barry Markovitz, M.D. 454-6215" <MARKOVITZ@a1.kids.wustl.edu>
Subject: RAMDoubler and LC

Open mouth, insert foot. I just erroneously posted a brain-dead comment about
RAMDoubler's compatibility with the original LC with/without an 030
accelerator.
The following are two quotes from Brain Grove of Connectix Tech Services on
America Online:


>If the accelerator works with extended memory, such as System 7 virtual
>memory, then it will work with RAM Doubler.
>
>RAM Doubler cannot be used with the original LC because it has a 68020
>processor.  It can be used on an original LC with a compatible accelerator
>upgrade such as DayStar.

Profuse apologies for my PIE (posting in error) <tearing clothes, heaping ashes
upon self>

Barry Markovitz
Internet: Markovitz@a1.kids.wustl.edu
AOL: BarryM6

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 16:24:22 -0800
From: <jp@taligent.com> (John Peterson)
Subject: Recovering Damaged files

I have a large PhotoShop image file on a SyQuest 44 removable.  I go to
load the file in PhotoShop, "Sorry, there's a disk error".  Try to copy it
with the Finder, (and Blitz Copy and MPW), all report the same thing -
disk error.

Bummer.  Probably a bad block.  So I do "Verify Media" in the Norton
Utilities disk tool to check the extent of the damage.  It comes back
and says "No media errors.".  Really???

So then I think:  Hmm...write a little C program to incrementally seek
to every 512 byte block, read the block, and write it to another file.
If I hit the bad block, just write out some zeros, but at least I'll
be able to recover most of the image (it's not compressed, thank heaven).

So my program crunches away block by block...and voila!  The copy the
program makes is perfect, no disk errors while reading it, and no
corrupted data.

Anybody know why the file copy programs failed, but reading it block
at a time worked?

I'd recommend the same approach to folks in a similar fix.

Cheers,
jp

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 12:53:06 -0800
From: kee@kagi.com (Kee Nethery +1 510 843 6140)
Subject: Request for information about ADB (A)

>Hallo!I'm an italian student of the University of Trieste ; I'm preparing a
>task concerning the APPLE DESKTOP BUS for the "Electronic Calculators II" exam
>with theacher named M. Hmeliak. I need info about ADB and I'm searching for it
>using my Email.Can you help me ? Thank you !

Four pins:
ground
+5 volts DC power at 500 ma for ALL devices on the ADB (low power ADB
devices are essential)
power-on sensor
ADB signal

Power-On Sensor is what is used when you press the ON key on your keyboard.
It shorts the Power-On Sensor to Ground. The Mac senses that signal go low
and powers on the Macintosh.

ADB signal is somewhat complex but much more functional than RS-232.

The ADB is a small network with 16 addresses, the Mac is the master, all
the devices (keyboard, mouse, etc.) are slaves.

Signal rate is 10000 Kbps. During a bit time, the signal falls at the
beginning of the bit and then rises before or after the midway mark. Rising
before midway (35% through the bit time) is a bit 1. Rising after the
midway mark (65% through the bit time) is a bit 0.

For each packet, the signal goes low for a period to signal the start of a
packet. Next is the address of the device the master wishes to talk to.
Next is the command from the master to the slave. Next is a "pause" where
the signal goes low. Next is the data (if any) coming from the slave back
to the master.

When another device wishes to get the attention of the master, it holds the
"pause" low for an extended amount of time and then releases the signal to
let it rise high and to let the original slave begin to send it's
information back to the master.

The master watches for this extended "pause". When it sees it, on the next
polling cycle it starts hunting for the device that wanted it's attention.
It tries all the in use ADB addresses until a slave responds with data.

It's a pretty cool system and it works quite well. If you are going to
create an ADB device, get the specs from Apple (APDA@applelink.apple.com)
and implement it on a single chip micro. Lots of devices use the MC68HC11
and various intel based ones and the MicroChip PIC series single chip
processor.

Kee Nethery

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Date: 4 Mar 1994 19:20:48 GMT
From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr)
Subject: request Handeze Gloves information

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

.>RSI & Handeze Gloves
.> -------------------
.>  My article on the Handeze gloves in TidBITS #199_ provoked a
.>  number of comments and questions, the most common of which was a
.>  request for a non-800 number for Dome Publishing. Sorry about
.>  that - I realized I didn't have the non-800 number too late in
.>  the day. The numbers are:

.>    Dome -- 800/432-4352 -- 401/738-7900 -- 401/732-5377 (fax)
..
.>--
.>Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor -- ace@tidbits.com -- info@tidbits.com


I've had a pair for a few months now, so I'll throw in my own two cents.
They seem to help a bit, but I think the biggest benefit is just staying
away from a keyboard; my hands felt worlds better after a week off at
Christmas. It's irritating to be taking them off and putting them on
many many times all day long, and the elastic pulls my fingers close
enough together to (apparently) impede circulation of air around them,
with the result that my fingers get sweaty. This might get really
obnoxious in the summer, but only time will tell. Last of all, for $20
these things had better be durable; I'm waiting another few months before
I decide if it's worth getting the pretty blue ones (beige does look
pretty stinky on my pale integument).
--
-----
Stan Kerr <stankerr@uiuc.edu>  Phone:217-333-5217  Fax:217-244-7089
Computing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois/Urbana

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Date: Sat, 05 Mar 94 01:15:49 CST
From: GMATSUDA <GMATSUDA@nvn.com>
Subject: SAM Virus Defs, 3/3/94

Thought this information might be useful to someone...

For those who can't wait until it gets uploaded to sumex-aim or Umich,
the Virus Defintions file (3/3/94) for SAM (Symantec Anti Virus) that is
available as SAMDEF.SEA on the Symantec Bulletin Board is corrupted.  I
downloaded it 5 different times and each time, it reported an error upon
decompressing.

Using DDExpand 4.0 to decompress the file, there was no error.  However,
when SAM Virus Clinic or SAM Intercept attempt to open the file, they
report that the file is "invalid," or isn't present in the System Folder.
Doesn't sound good, does it?

Thought someone might like to know... :-)

Gann Matsuda
gmatsuda@nvn.com (preferred) OR
gmatsuda@netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 22:40:23 -0800
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <needje@msen.com>
Subject: Sending Mail to Someone on Prodigy [A]

In Vol.12 No. 34 Keith E Gatling <kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu> wondered how to
go about sending e-mail from the Internet to PRODIGY. The format is
userID@prodigy.com, so mail to me would be sent to:
DMVR98B@prodigy.com.

Remember, PRODIGY charges to both send and receive Internet mail. Internet
mail arrives COD, charged at ten cents for each 6000 byte segment. Mac
users of PRODIGY are unable to reply to Internet mail through PRODIGY,
although they can receive it. (The software PRODIGY requires for
transmitting Internet e-mail exists only for DOS right now.)

By the way, I'm THE national MemRep for the Computer Bulletin Board on
PRODIGY. This minor honor has yet to impress anyone: I get no free review
copies of software or hardware, and even have to pay for my own MacWeek
subscription. PRODIGY has about two million subscribers who of course rely
on me COMPLETELY for any and all advice about what to buy. And I cheerfully
accept all bribes; my opinions are for sale, and I'm not greedy. Write me
for the street address for mailing all the freebies I so lust after! I can
just about guarantee a favorable review online <nudge nudge, wink wink>.

Jeff Needleman <DMVR98B@prodigy.com>

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 1994 18:08:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Rick Gore <GORER@carleton.edu>
Subject: Simpson's Sounds for Maelstrom

Has anybody out there gotten the Simpson's Sounds file to work with Maelstrom
1.4?  I downloaded it twice, (no errors while downloading in either case)
and tried it repeatedly, going to the extreme of starting up without any
extensions and giving Maelstrom 7 Megs of memory  (This is all REAL RAM, not
virtual or doubled) and it still wouldn't work -- keeps giving me a polite
message that there is either something wrong with the sound file or I need to
give Maelstrom more memory.

Please E-mail direct and I will summarize to the net.  Thanks in advance for
your assistance.

Rick Gore

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:35:18 CST
From: "Richard K. Wolf (312) 996-8291"
<U42641%UICVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Sonic Systems' "The Diskless Mac" ... trade experiences? (Q)

We, the University of Illinois at Chicago, are experimenting with
Sonic Systems' "The Diskless Mac" (TDM) in one of our most heavily
used public-access computer labs.  Thus far, we've had what I'd
consider to be mixed results, but we are just using it for the first
time in a production environment.

I am hoping that some of you out there may be more familliar with
the product than I.  Or, if not, are in the same boat as I am.  What
I am looking to do is trade experiences.  Public-access Mac administration
is a nightmare, as I'm sure many of you know and we are really hoping
that TDM can make a difference.  The PC's in our labs all use remote
booting and we have had a lot of success with them thus far.  We hope
to translate that success to our Macs as well.

For now, let me throw some of our specific problems out on the list.
I don't think the majority of Info-Mac readers would be interested in
a protracted discussion of TDM, but I would like to establish a correspondance
with other administrators with regard to my problems as well as your own
in the hope that we could all benefit as a group.

Okay, here goes:

1.  We'd like to decrease the time it takes to TFTP a boot image.  In fact,
    this is our largest problem.  It takes about three to four minutes to
    boot a Centris 650 with a 3072K disk image.  Failing that, is there
    a cheap way to get TDM to post messages on a client Mac so that users
    do not become discouraged during the TFTP process.
2.  Does anyone have exerpience using Sonic Systems' Novell BOOTP and
    TFTP NLM's?  We are considering moving to these if they will increase
    TFTP speed and reliability.
3.  Same as above, but under Unix.
4.  Our current TDM server occaisonally runs "out of connections."  Does
    anyone have a clear idea of what this implies?  Our current TDM server
    is configured for ten more connections than actually exist.  We are
    using TDM under the MacTCP TCP/IP kernel.  Is the built-in TCP/IP
    kernel more reliable?
5.  Is there a sneaky way to prevent someone from resetting PRAM?

Hope to hear from you lab administrators soon!

Yours,
Richard K. Wolf
Richard.Wolf@uic.edu
Small Systems Group/Computer Center
University of Illinois at Chicago

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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:46:15 GMT+1
From: FRICCI@polito.it
Subject: Sound synchronizing and other stuff...

Hello, everybody.
I've got a problem. I'm writing a program where I need to synchronize a
number of sound channels, with Sound Manager 3.
What I do to sync, for example, two channels, is this:

- allocate chan 1
- send syncCmd with count = 3
- do a SndPlay on chan 1

- allocate chan 2
- send a syncCmd with count = 2
- do a SndPlay on chan 2

- send a syncCmd with count = 1 to chan 2

This is what is recommended in the Sound Manager 3 documentation.
But the last syncCmd is never executed by the Sound Manager, so nothing
plays: the other sounds are still waiting for a syncCmd with count = 1
before starting playback. I think this happens because the commands are
executed in a FIFO order, so syncCmd with count = 2 stops processing of
subsequent commands, including the syncCmd with count = 1.
This means I'd have to allocate a third channel, and send the last syncCmd
to that one. But I'd prefer not to allocate a sound channel just to send
it a syncCmd... or is it OK to do so? Anyway, it would then work.


Another problem I have is with the volumeCmd: if I send it to a channel so
that it should play thru the left speaker only (0x00000100) and then send
a bufferCmd (or SndPlay) to that channel, and the sound that I want to
play is Mono, then nothing plays. I mean, if the sound was 3 seconds long,
it plays 3 seconds of silence. Instead, if I send the volumeCmd with
0x01000000 as a parameter (right channel only, full volume), the mono
sound plays, but through BOTH channels. What I want to do is have the mono
sound directed to one speaker ONLY. How can I do this?

Well, thank you very much for any help you may provide.

If you want to send replies directly to me, then I will summarize to the
net.

Thanks again,
- Alberto Ricci.

fricci@polito.it

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Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:26:30 -0500
From: lt10@cornell.edu (Li-Hsiang Tu)
Subject: substitute application for Powerbar (Q)

I have tried Powerbar which is a very nice program, but it takes too much
memory, and it makes startup a bit slow.  Is there a substitute that is an
application and not a CDEV?  Then I can quit it and use the memory whenever
I need it.

Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:29:13 -0800
From: Glenn Fleishman <fleglei@hebron.connected.com>
Subject: Sumex-aim break-in -- find them and prosecute

Dear moderators and community,

I can't believe someone had the gall to invade the sumex-aim archives! I
hope they are found and prosecuted to whatever the full extent of the law
is. I'm not a "big brother" fan, but sumex-aim is a worldwide public
resource.

Thank god, the moderators are as dedicated as they are; I wouldn't have
blamed them for saying "Because of this break-in and deletion, we're
closing down sumex-aim." Less-committed folks might have done that...

I think the moderators are owed a great wave of applause for recovering
>From this vandalism. I think also, if the FBI gets involved, that anyone
with information should be given an e-mail address or phone number to
volunteer this information. Most people are too sloppy to cover their
tracks, and it's possible the vandals left footprints.

Glenn Fleishman      [ Managing Editor, Open House, Seattle, Washington, USA
		     [ I'm a writer, a technologist, a graphic designer
		     [ but read that in reverse order.
		     [ Mail to: fleglei@hebron.connected.com

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Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 10:32:54 CST
From: Mack Wilingham <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: TT Font Won't Trash

I have two TT fonts that are not in suitcases that are damaged, and I can't
trash them.  I keep getting the not enough memory, and close windows
to free up some.  I have tried resedit, the the wrong way I assume, to
try and get rid of it.  It must be a font from hell.  Are there any
suggestions that you have?  BTW - they are in the sys7 font folder.

Mack

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Date: Fri Mar 4 17:24:31 1994
From: dow86oss@ramstein.af.mil (Capt Jon Dagle;86OSS/DOW;480-2822;93-6194)
Subject: TT or PS Terminal Fonts (looking for)

Greetings Info-Mac readers:

I wonder if anyone has a recommendation for some non-proportional fonts for
use displaying email and other on-line products. I have some fonts now, but
they are bitmapped and are not suitable for printing on the laser printer.
Please reply directly to me. TIA.

Jonathan Dagle
Ramstein Air Base, Germany
dow86oss@ramstein.af.mil

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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:56:20 -0500 (EST)
From: 2d Lt Avram Dorfman <adorfman@cs.tufts.edu>
Subject: Updating Stylewriter II driver (summary)

Recently, I asked about getting the remaining files for updating the
stylewriter ii driver to v1.2, since ftp.apple.com only has disk 1 out of 4.

All I found out was this: there IS a new version of Printer Share to go
with the update: v 1.0.1. Some very nice people (thank you) sent me
binhexed copies of it. Unfortunately, the Apple liscence agreement
prohibits its submission to archive sites.

Fortunately, you only need this extension if you actually share your
printer. If you don't, you can do the update manually by dragging in the
new version of the Stylewriter II driver. The disks come with a renamed
chooser, but it says that it is the same version (v7.3) as the one that
came with the stylewriter ii 1.0 disks.

-Avram Dorfman (adorfman@cs.tufts.edu)

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Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 16:11:05 +0100
From: G.POLDER@CPRO.AGRO.NL
Subject: Video out on AV Mac

I like to connect the Video out on the Centris 660 AV to a video
printer, to print Images.

Which software (commercial or pd) can I use to perform this task?
Preferably I don't like to connect a video monitor to the videoprinter,
so the option of switching the monitor to the video out is not
acceptable.

thanks, Gerrit.
g.polder@cpro.agro.nl

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